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Phil Donahue

Talk Show Host

"...I realized during the commercials that these people in the audience were asking better questions than I was. So about the third or fourth show, I went out in the audience and it saved us.  There would've been no Donahue show without that studio audience."

About This Interview

In his four-and-a-half hour interview for The Archive of American Television, Phil Donahue describes the meandering path that led to hosting his long-running talk show, The Phil Donahue Show aka Donahue. He explains how his journey took him from announcing television news at KYW in Cleveland, Ohio, to working in a bank in Albuquerque, New Mexico, to directing radio news in Adrian, Michigan. He recalls how his success hosting the call-in radio talk show, Conversation Piece, in Dayton, Ohio sparked the interest of the local television station's general manager. The result: Donahue, the longest running syndicated talk show in television history with its 29 year on-air reign. Donahue discusses the many controversial topics and guests featured on the show over the years -- including White Supremacist David Duke -- and details his activities since the final taping of Donahue. He also shares the story of meeting wife Marlo Thomas, how he feels about being parodied on Saturday Night Live, and what he really thinks of Oprah Winfrey. James Moll conducted the interview in New York City on May 9, 2001.

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from the Museum of Broadcast Communications Encyclopedia of Television

Phil Donahue

In recent years, the talk show has become the most profitable, prolific, and contested format on daytime television. The sensationalist nature of many of these shows has spawned much public debate over the potential for invasion of personal privacy and the exploitation of sensitive social issues. In this environment, Phil Donahue, who is widely credited with inventing the talk show platform, appears quite tame. But in the late 1960s, when The Phil Donahue Show first aired on WLW-D in Dayton, Ohio, Donahue was considered a radical and scintillating addition to the daytime scene.

Working at the college station KYW as a production assistant, Donahue had his first opportunity to test his on-air abilities when the regular booth announcer failed to show up. He claims it was then that he became "hooked" on hearing the transmission of his own voice. The position he took after graduation, News Director for a Michigan radio station, allowed him to try his hand at broadcast reporting and eventually led to work as a stringer for CBS Evening News and an anchor position at WHIO-TV in Dayton in the late 1950s. There he first entered the talk show arena with his radio show Conversation Piece, on which he interviewed civil rights activists (including Martin Luther King, Malcolm X) and war dissenters.

After leaving WHIO and a subsequent three month stint as a salesman, the general manager of WLW-D convinced Donahue to host a call-in TV talk show. The show would combine the talk radio format with television interview show. However The Phil Donahue Show would start with two major disadvantages: a small budget and geographic isolation from the entertainment industries, preventing it from garnering star guests. In order to attract their audience, Donahue and his producers had to innovate--they focused on issues rather than fame.

The first guest on The Phil Donahue Show was Madalyn O'Hair, an atheist who felt that religion "breeds dependence" and who was ready to mount a campaign to ban prayer in public schools. During that same week in November 1967 the show featured footage of a woman giving birth, a phone-in vote on the morality of an anatomically correct male doll, and a funeral director extolling the workings of his craft. The bold nature of these topics was tempered by Donahue's appealing personality. He was one of the first male television personalities to exude characteristics of "the sensitive man" (traits and behaviors further popularized in the 1970s by actors such as Alan Alda), acquired through his interest in both humanism and feminism.

Donahue's affinity with the women's movement, his sincere style, and his focus on controversial topics attracted a large and predominately female audience. He told a Los Angeles Times Reporter in 1992, that his show "got lucky because we discovered early on that the usual idea of women's programming was a narrow, sexist view. We found that women were interested in a lot more than covered dishes and needlepoint. The determining factor [was], 'Will the woman in the fifth row be moved to stand up and say something?' And there's a lot that will get her to stand up." Donahue attempted to "move" his audience in a number of ways, but the most controversial approach involved educating women on matters of reproduction. Shows on abortion, birthing techniques, and a discussion with Masters and Johnson were all banned by certain local affiliates. According to Donahue's autobiography, WGN in Chicago refused to air a show on reverse vasectomy and tubal ligation because it was "too educational for women...and too bloody." Nevertheless, Donahue's proven success with such a lucrative target audience led to the accumulation of other major midwest markets as well as the show's eventual move to Chicago in 1974 and then to New York in 1985. By then the range of topics had broadened considerably, even to include live "space bridge" programs. Co-hosted with Soviet newscaster Vladimir Pozner, these events linked U.S. and Soviet citizens for live exchanges on issues common to both groups.

But by the 1980s, the increasing popularity of Donahue had led to a proliferation of local and nationally syndicated talk shows. As competition increased, the genre became racier, with less emphasis on issues and more on personal scandal. Donahue retained his niche in the market by dividing the show's focus, dabbling in both the political and the personal. He was able to provide interviews with political candidates, explorations of the AIDs epidemic, and revelations of the savings and loan crisis, alongside shows on safe-sex orgies, cross-dressing, and aging strippers.

In 1992, with 19 Emmy Awards under his belt, Donahue was celebrated by his fellow talk show hosts on his 25th anniversary special as a mentor and kindly patriarch of the genre. Fellow talk show host Maury Povich was quoted in Broadcasting as saying at the event "He's the granddaddy of us all and he birthed us all." Until 1996 Phil Donahue still broadcast out of New York where he lives with his second wife actress Marlo Thomas. Early in that year he announced it would be his last. Ratings for Donahue were declining and a number of major stations, including his New York affiliate, had chosen to drop the show from their schedules. In the spring of 1996 Donahue taped his final show, an event covered on major network news casts, complete with warm sentiment, spraying Champagne, and expected, yet undoubted, sincerity. The ending of this hugely successful run for a syndicated program no doubt presaged new career developments for Phil Donahue in television.

-Sue Murray

 

PHIL (PHILLIP) JOHN DONAHUE. Born in Cleveland, Ohio, U.S.A., 21 December 1935. Educated at the University of Notre Dame, B.B.A., 1957. Married: 1) Marge Cooney, 1958 (divorced, 1975); children: Michael, Kevin, Daniel, Jim, Maryrose; 2) actress Marlo Thomas, 1980. Began career as announcer, KYW-TV and AM, Cleveland, 1957; bank check sorter, Albuquerque, New Mexico; news director, WABJ radio, Adrian, Michigan; morning newscaster, WHIO-TV, where interviews with Jimmy Hoffa and Billy Sol Estes were picked up nationally; hosted Conversation Piece, phone-in talk show, 1963-67; debuted The Phil Donahue Show, Dayton, Ohio, 1967, syndicated two years later; relocated to Chicago, 1974-85; host, Donahue, 1974-96; relocated to New York City, 1985. Recipient: numerous Emmy Awards; Best Talk Show Host, 1988; Margaret Sanger Award, Planned Parenthood, 1987; Peabody Award, 1980.

TELEVISION

1969-74 The Phil Donahue Show (from Dayton, Ohio) 1974-85 Donahue (from Chicago)
1985-96 Donahue (from New York)

PUBLICATIONS

Donahue: My Own Story. New York: Simon & Schuster, 1980.

Haley, Kathy. "Talking with Phil" (interview). Broadcasting (Washington, D.C.), 2 November 1992.

The Human Animal, New York: Simon and Schuster, 1985.

Unger, Arthur. "I Cannot Be the BBC in an MTV World!" (interview). Television Quarterly (New York), Spring 1991.

FURTHER READING

Carbaugh, Donald A. Talking American: Cultural Discourses on Donahue. Norwood, New Jersey: Ablex Publishing, 1988.

Haley, Kathy. "From Dayton to the World: A History of the Donahue Show." Broadcasting (Washington, D.C.), 2 November 1992.

Heaton, Jeanne Albronda, and Nona Leigh Wilson. Tuning in Trouble: Talk TV's Destructive Impact on Mental Health. San Francisco, California: Jossey-Bass, 1995.

Kurtz, Howard. "Father of the Slide." The New Republic (Washington, D.C.), 12 February 1996.

McConnell, Frank. "What Hath Phil Wrought?" Commonweal (New York), 22 March 1996.

Mifflin, Laurie. "The Price of Being Earnest." The New York Times, 21 January 1996.

Priest, Patricia Joyner. Public Intimacies: Talk Show Participants and Tell All TV. Cresskill, New Jersey: Hampton, 1995.

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Highlights

  • On recalling his favorite guests over the yearsOn recalling his favorite guests over the years
    Clip begins at: 10:07, Duration: 02m 26s
  • On journalismOn journalism
    Clip begins at: 07:25, Duration: 00m 35s
  • On ending <i>Donahue</i>On ending Donahue
    Clip begins at: 28:02, Duration: 00m 55s
  • On making people laughOn making people laugh
    Clip begins at: 04:51, Duration: 00m 44s
  • On not believing in censorshipOn not believing in censorship
    Clip begins at: 06:07, Duration: 01m 03s

Interview

  • Part 1
  • On his early years and influences; on beginning his career in journalism at a South Bend, Indiana television station
    Clip begins at: 0:26
  • On his first job as a radio news director and the state of electronic journalism in the 1950s and early 1960s
    Clip begins at: 13:54
  • On his marriage and family life; on the Women's movement
    Clip begins at: 21:16
  • Part 2
  • On his recollections of World War II; on pondering racism, sexism and stereotypes; on the Vietnam War
    Clip begins at: 0:31
  • On getting his first show and national exposure on CBS Evening News with Walter Cronkite
    Clip begins at: 17:25
  • On interviewing Jimmy Hoffa
    Clip begins at: 26:24
  • Part 3
  • On his call in talk-radio show Conversation Piece and transitioning to television 
    Clip begins at: 0:32
  • On his television talk show, Donahue (aka The Phil Donahue Show)
    Clip begins at: 16:39
  • Part 4
  • On Donahue
    Clip begins at: 0:27
  • On catering to a female audience for Donahue
    Clip begins at: 07:57
  • On the staff of his show and the controversial topics covered
    Clip begins at: 13:18
  • On how his talk show made him ponder religion
    Clip begins at: 20:18
  • On his first marriage; on celebrity
    Clip begins at: 22:33
  • Part 5
  • On some of the controversial/confrontational guests - including Jerry Rubin of The Chicago Seven - and special telecasts of The Phil Donahue Show
    Clip begins at: 0:28
  • On his professional influences
    Clip begins at: 05:38
  • On guests on Donahue and recording the show from Attica State Prison
    Clip begins at: 09:47
  • On Donahue with Vladimir Pozner and later taking the show to The Soviet Union
    Clip begins at: 27:17
  • Part 6
  • On the controversial topics covered on Donahue
    Clip begins at: 0:31
  • On covering the Nazis marching on Skokie, Illinois on Donahue; on same sex couples raising children and PFLAG
    Clip begins at: 11:48
  • On the Masters and Johnson episode of Donahue 
    Clip begins at: 18:53
  • On his first Emmy Award
    Clip begins at: 21:08
  • On famous guests that appeared on his show: Bob Hope, Johnny Carson, Anita Bryant, and Muhammed Ali
    Clip begins at: 22:25
  • Part 7
  • On some of the controversial guests on his talk show: White Supremacist David Duke and Nazi leader Albert Speer
    Clip begins at: 0:0
  • On interviewing future wife Marlo Thomas
    Clip begins at: 08:50
  • On writing the book Donahue: My Own Story and on producing the book The Human Animal - the latter in conjunction with a television project for NBC
    Clip begins at: 14:29
  • On the emergence of color television; on fellow talk show hosts Sally Jessy Raphael and Oprah Winfrey
    Clip begins at: 21:53
  • Part 8
  • On the talk show genre and how it changed over the years
    Clip begins at: 0:32
  • On deciding to end Donahue and doing Pozner & Donahue on CNBC 
    Clip begins at: 11:42
  • Part 9
  • On the last show of Donahu e and the state of daytime talk shows
    Clip begins at: 0:0
  • On retirement and pushing for televising executions
    Clip begins at: 13:28

Shows

  • CBS Evening News with Walter Cronkite
    • Phil Donahue on getting his first national exposure on CBS Evening News with Walter Cronkite and a phone call from Walter Cronkite
      Clip begins at: 22:48, Duration: 03m 30s
  • Donahue aka The Phil Donahue Show
    • Phil Donahue on his television talk show, Donahue (The Phil Donahue Show), and the controversial topics covered
      Clip begins at: 16:39, Duration: 13m 43s
    • Phil Donahue on the origins of his television talk show and the importance of the live studio audience
      Clip begins at: 25:40, Duration: 04m 42s
    • Phil Donahue on the early years of Donahue
      Clip begins at: 00:27, Duration: 30m 35s
    • Phil Donahue on some of the guests and special telecasts of Donahue
      Clip begins at: 00:28, Duration: 29m 58s
    • Phil Donahue on the different topics covered on Donahue
      Clip begins at: 00:31, Duration: 28m 54s
    • Phil Donahue on guests on his talk show Donahue
      Clip begins at: 00:33, Duration: 28m 30s
    • Phil Donahue on his talk show 
      Clip begins at: 00:32, Duration: 14m 45s
    • Phil Donahue on ending Donahue
      Clip begins at: 00:21, Duration: 13m 07s
  • Jenny Jones Show, The
    • Phil Donahue on The Jenny Jones Show and how the marketplace had changed since he began his show
      Clip begins at: 01:53, Duration: 03m 08s
  • Jerry Springer
    • Phil Donahue on Jerry Springer and how the marketplace had changed since he began his show
      Clip begins at: 05:01, Duration: 01m 04s
  • Oprah Winfrey Show, The
    • Phil Donahue on The Oprah Winfrey Show
      Clip begins at: 00:32, Duration: 01m 21s
    • Phil Donahue on his thoughts on The Oprah Winfrey Show
      Clip begins at: 05:23, Duration: 00m 41s
  • Pozner & Donahue
    • Phil Donahue on the CNBC program Pozner & Donahue with Vladimir Pozner
      Clip begins at: 15:17, Duration: 13m 40s
  • Ricki Lake
    • Phil Donahue on Ricki Lake
      Clip begins at: 04:10, Duration: 01m 13s
  • Saturday Night Live
    • Phil Donahue on being parodied on Saturday Night Live
      Clip begins at: 13:07, Duration: 02m 10s

People

  • Muhammad Ali
    • Phil Donahue on interviewing Muhammad Ali
      Clip begins at: 26:58, Duration: 02m 27s
  • Anita Bryant
    • Phil Donahue on interviewing Anita Bryant
      Clip begins at: 24:39, Duration: 02m 19s
  • Johnny Carson
    • Phil Donahue on interviewing Johnny Carson
      Clip begins at: 22:48, Duration: 00m 48s
  • Walter Cronkite
    • Phil Donahue on getting his first national exposure on CBS Evening News with Walter Cronkite and a phone call from Walter Cronkite
      Clip begins at: 22:48, Duration: 03m 30s
    • Phil Donahue on his admiration for Walter Cronkite
      Clip begins at: 08:19, Duration: 00m 33s
  • David Duke
    • Phil Donahue on White Supremacist David Duke on Donahue
      Clip begins at: 00:33, Duration: 01m 56s
  • Robert F. Kennedy
    • Phil Donahue on interviewing Jimmy Hoffa
      Clip begins at: 26:31, Duration: 03m 54s
  • Joe Frazier
    • Phil Donahue on interviewing boxer Joe Frazier and doing the show from Attica State prison
      Clip begins at: 19:48, Duration: 07m 31s
  • Dick Gregory
    • Phil Donahue on guest Dick Gregory and the controversy his appearance stirred 
      Clip begins at: 17:29, Duration: 00m 58s
  • Phil Hartman
    • Phil Donahue on being parodied on Saturday Night Live
      Clip begins at: 14:37, Duration: 00m 40s
  • Jimmy Hoffa
    • Phil Donahue on interviewing Jimmy Hoffa
      Clip begins at: 26:31, Duration: 03m 54s
  • Bob Hope
    • Phil Donahue on interviewing Bob Hope
      Clip begins at: 22:48, Duration: 00m 48s
    • Phil Donahue on Bob Hope wondering why Donahue wasn't on in L.A.
      Clip begins at: 06:00, Duration: 00m 20s
  • Sally Jessy Raphael
    • Phil Donahue on getting fellow talk show host Sally Jesse Raphael from radio to television
      Clip begins at: 22:55, Duration: 02m 29s
  • Jenny Jones
    • Phil Donahue on The Jenny Jones Show
      Clip begins at: 01:53, Duration: 03m 08s
  • Ricki Lake
    • Phil Donahue on Ricki Lake
      Clip begins at: 04:10, Duration: 01m 13s
  • Jerry Springer
    • Phil Donahue on Jerry Springer and how the marketplace had changed since he began his show
      Clip begins at: 05:01, Duration: 01m 04s
  • Gloria Steinem
    • Phil Donahue on interviewing Gloria Steinem
      Clip begins at: 12:35, Duration: 07m 13s
  • Marlo Thomas
    • Phil Donahue on interviewing Marlo Thomas
      Clip begins at: 08:50, Duration: 04m 00s
    • Phil Donahue on being parodied on Saturday Night Live
      Clip begins at: 13:07, Duration: 02m 10s
    • Phil Donahue on marrying Marlo Thomas
      Clip begins at: 27:51, Duration: 01m 08s
  • Danny Thomas
    • Phil Donahue on father-in-law Danny Thomas
      Clip begins at: 12:50, Duration: 00m 26s
  • Mike Wallace
    • Phil Donahue on his admiration for Mike Wallace
      Clip begins at: 06:00, Duration: 02m 42s
  • Oprah Winfrey
    • Phil Donahue on fellow talk show host Oprah Winfrey and how she changed the genre
      Clip begins at: 25:24, Duration: 03m 39s
    • Phil Donahue on his thoughts on The Oprah Winfrey Show
      Clip begins at: 05:23, Duration: 00m 41s

Topics

  • Emmy Awards
    • Phil Donahue on winning his first Emmy
      Clip begins at: 21:08, Duration: 01m 17s
  • Historic Events and Social Change > Diversity in Television
    • Phil Donahue on his television talk show, Donahue, and the controversial topics covered
      Clip begins at: 16:39, Duration: 13m 43s
  • Historic Events and Social Change > Diversity in Television > Minorities
    • Phil Donahue on interviewing boxer Joe Frazier and doing the show from Attica Street prison
      Clip begins at: 19:48, Duration: 07m 31s
  • Technological Innovation
    • Phil Donahue on his recollections of Ampex video 
      Clip begins at: 10:05, Duration: 02m 21s
  • Television Industry > Censorship / Standards & Practices
    • Phil Donahue on how syndication allowed him to cover more controversial topics than if he aired as a network owned show
      Clip begins at: 14:44, Duration: 02m 53s
    • Phil Donahue on the controversial topics covered on Donahue and complaints by individual stations
      Clip begins at: 00:30, Duration: 04m 36s
    • Phil Donahue on not believing in censorship
      Clip begins at: 06:07, Duration: 01m 03s
  • Television Industry > Criticism of TV > Trash TV
    • Phil Donahue on the deterioration of daytime television
      Clip begins at: 06:04, Duration: 03m 21s
  • Television Industry > Fame & Celebrity
    • Phil Donahue on celebrity 
      Clip begins at: 28:59, Duration: 02m 03s
  • Television Industry > Industry Crossroads > Quiz Show Scandals
    • Phil Donahue on how the television industry was affected by the Quiz Show Scandals
      Clip begins at: 20:56, Duration: 01m 44s

Genres

  • News and Documentary
    • Phil Donahue on working in radio and television news
      Clip begins at: 17:25, Duration: 13m 00s
  • Talk Shows
    • Phil Donahue on his television talk show, Donahue
      Clip begins at: 16:39, Duration: 13m 43s
    • Phil Donahue on the early years of Donahue Show
      Clip begins at: 00:27, Duration: 30m 35s
    • Phil Donahue on Donahue
      Clip begins at: 00:28, Duration: 29m 58s
    • Phil Donahue on Donahue
      Clip begins at: 00:31, Duration: 28m 54s
    • Phil Donahue on Donahue
      Clip begins at: 00:33, Duration: 28m 30s
    • Phil Donahue on Donahue and Pozner & Donahue
      Clip begins at: 00:32, Duration: 28m 25s
    • Phil Donahue on ending Donahue
      Clip begins at: 00:21, Duration: 13m 07s
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