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Ken Burns

Producer/ Documentarian

"Why have just a single voice-of-God narrator when you could have first person voices reading newspaper accounts, or letters or diaries?... And rather than hold old photographs at arm's length, why not go inside them to the reality that each represented." 

About This Interview

Ken Burns was interviewed for two hours in New York, NY.  Burns talked about his modest upbringing and his early interest in filmmaking.  He described creating his own company in the 1970s, Florentine Films, and the 1981 documentary Brooklyn Bridge.  He described the style in which the film was made: the use of first person narrative and an easel system for filming still photographs.  He discussed his relationship with PBS and his continued work in both feature film and television documentaries throughout the 1980s, including: The Shakers: Hands to Work, Hearts to God; The Statue of Liberty; Huey Long; Thomas Hart Benton; and The Congress.   He then spoke in great detail about his breakthrough work, The Civil War.  He talked about how the nine-hour documentary was made (shooting at 163 archives).  He then detailed his subsequent project, including the ambitious documentaries: Empire of the Air: Men Who Made Radio, Baseball, Jazz, and The War.  Throughout the interview, Burns spoke about his process including the art of the interview and what he feels makes a good story.  The interview was conducted by Ron Simon on October 19, 2007.

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Ken Burns is one of public television's most celebrated and prolific producers. He has already fashioned a record of nine major PBS (Public Broadcasting System) specials, addressing a wide range of topics from American history, such as The Brooklyn Bridge (PBS, 1982), The Shakers: Hands to Work, Hearts to God (PBS, 1985), The Statue of Liberty (PBS, 1985), Huey Long (PBS, 1986), Thomas Hart Benton (PBS, 1989), The Congress (PBS, 1989), The Civil War (PBS, 1990), Empire of the Air (PBS, 1992), and Baseball (PBS, 1994) which have all won various awards and recognitions from both professional and scholarly organizations and at international film festivals.

Burns is a 1975 graduate of Hampshire College in Amherst, Massachusetts, where he studied under still photographers, Jerome Liebling and Elaine Mayes, and received a degree in film studies and design. Upon graduation, he and two of his college friends started Florentine Films and struggled for a number of years doing freelance assignments, finishing a few short documentaries before beginning work in 1977 on a film based on David McCullough's book, The Great Bridge (1972). Four years later, they completed The Brooklyn Bridge, which won several honors including an Academy Award nomination, thus ushering Burns into the ambit of public television. While editing The Brooklyn Bridge in 1979, Burns moved Florentine Films to Walpole, New Hampshire, surviving on as little as "$2,500 one year to stay independent."

Much about Ken Burns's career defies conventional wisdom. He operates his own independent company in a small New England village more than four hours north of New York City, hardly a crossroads in the highly competitive and often insular world of corporately funded, PBS-sponsored productions. His television career is a popular and critical success story in an era when the historical documentary generally holds little interest for most Americans. His PBS specials so far are also strikingly out of step with the visual pyrotechnics and frenetic pacing of most reality-based TV programming, relying instead on techniques that are literally decades old, although Burns reintegrates these constituent elements into a wholly new and highly complex textual arrangement.

Beginning with The Brooklyn Bridge and continuing through Baseball, Burns has intricately blended narration with what he calls his "chorus of voices," meaning readings from personal papers, diaries, and letters; interpretive commentaries from on-screen experts, usually historians; his "rephotographing" technique which closely examines photographs, paintings, drawings, daguerreotypes, and other artifacts with a movie camera; all backed with a musical-track that features period compositions and folk music. The effect of this collage of techniques is to create the illusion that the viewer is being transported back in time, literally finding an emotional connection with the people and events of America's past.

At first, it may appear that he has embraced a wide assortment of subjects--a bridge, a 19th century religious sect, a statue, a demagogue, a painter, the congress, the Civil War, radio, and the national pastime--but several underlying common denominators bind this medley of Americana together. Burns's body of work casts an image of America which is built on consensus and is celebratory in nature, highlighting the nation's ideals and achievements. He suggests, moreover, that "television can become a new Homeric mode," drawing narrative parameters which are epic and heroic in scope. The epic form tends to celebrate a people's shared tradition in sweeping terms, while recounting the lives of national heroes is the classical way of imparting values by erecting edifying examples for present and future generations.

In this way, Ken Burns's chronicles are populated with seemingly ordinary men and women who rise up from the ranks of the citizenry to become paragons of national (and occasionally transcendent) achievement, always persisting against great odds. The Brooklyn Bridge, for example, described by the film's "chorus of voices" as "a work of art" and "the greatest feat of civil engineering in the world," is the "inspiration" of a kind of "Renaissance man," John A. Roebling, who died as the building of the bridge was beginning, and his son, Washington Roebling, who finished the monument 14 years later through his own dogged perseverance and courage, despite being bedridden in the process.

Along with being an outstanding documentarian and popular historian, Burns, like all important cultural voices, is also a moralist. Taken as a whole his series of films stand as morality tales, drawing upon epic events, landmarks, and institutions of historical significance. They are populated by heroes and villains who allegorically personify certain virtues and vices in the national character as understood through the popular mythology of our modern memory. At the beginning of Empire of the Air, for instance, Jason Robards narration explains how Lee DeForest, David Sarnoff, and Edwin H. Armstrong "were driven to create [radio] by ancient qualities, idealism and imagination, greed and envy, ambition and determination, and genius." And Burns himself describes Huey Long as "a tragic almost Shakespearean story of a man who started off good, went bad, and got killed for it."

Ken Burns is best known, of course, for his 11-hour documentary series, The Civil War. The overwhelming popularity of this program, aired in September 1990 made him a household name. Much of the success of the series must be equated to the extent with which Burns makes this 130 year-old conflict immediate and comprehensible to a contemporary audience. He adopted a similar strategy with Baseball. "Baseball," he says, "is as much about American social history as it is about the game," as it examines such issues as immigration, assimilation, labor and management conflicts, and, most importantly, race relations. Ken Burns explains that "Jackie Robinson and his story are sort of the center of gravity for the film, the Gettysburg Address and Emancipation Proclamation rolled into one." This 19-hour history of the sport debuted over nine evenings in September 1994, lasting nearly double the length and costing twice the budget ($7 million) of The Civil War.

 

Burns is now executive producer on two additional projects for PBS. He has next committed to a 10-hour, seven-part multicultural history of the American West which is scheduled to inaugurate the public television season during the fall of 1996. He also has an agreement with General Motors to oversee a series entitled, American Lives, in which various documentarians, including himself, will film brief biographies of important historical figures, such as Thomas Jefferson, Susan B. Anthony, and Mark Twain. His involvement with American Lives ensures that Burns will be a fixture at PBS into the next century.

Despite his long-standing affiliation with non-commercial television in the U. S., Ken Bums still remembers his boyhood dream of becoming the next John Ford. As he recalls, "I had always wanted to be a Hollywood director. I think as I look back now in retrospect, I realize how my whole body of work is a kind of documentary version of Ford--that is a real love for American mythology." Burns is once again exploring a subject that is intimately related to John Ford's filmic legacy in The West. Ford was a visual poet of the first order; he was also a populist, stressing a respect for the past and the lessons it can teach. Ken Bums shares a similar style and outlook in his documentaries: "All my work is animated by the question 'who are we?' that is to say who are we as a people? What does it mean to be an American? And all of these questions are not necessarily answered by these investigations as the questions are themselves deepened." In this respect, no one has ever done a better job of probing and revivifying the past for more Americans through the power and reach of prime-time television than Ken Burns.

-Gary Edgerton

 

FURTHER READING

Edgerton, Gary. "Ken Burns's America: Style, Authorship, and Cultural Memory." Journal of Popular Film and Television (Washington, D.C.), Summer 1993.

_______________. "Ken Burns's American Dream: Histories-for-TV from Walpole, New Hampshire." Television Quarterly (New York), Winter 1994.

"Film Maker Opposes Disney theme Park." The New York Times, 20 May 1994.

Leventhal, Larry. "One Man's 'Civil War' is Another's Foundation." Variety (Los Angeles), 21 September 1992.

Thomson, David. "History Composed with Film." Film Comment (New York), September-October 1990.

Tibbetts, John C. "The Incredible Stillness of Being: Motionless Pictures in the Films of Ken Burns." American Studies (Lawrence, Kansas), Spring 1996.

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  • Ken Burns on developing his approach to using photographs in documentaries during the development of<i> Brooklyn Bridge</i>Ken Burns on developing his approach to using photographs in documentaries during the development of Brooklyn Bridge
    Clip begins at: 23:54, Duration: 02m 12s
  • Ken Burns on the power of televisionKen Burns on the power of television
    Clip begins at: 22:56, Duration: 02m 24s
  • Ken Burns the "Ken Burns effect" and his documentary styleKen Burns the "Ken Burns effect" and his documentary style
    Clip begins at: 00:45, Duration: 04m 09s
  • <DIV contenteditable="true" class="gx_free">Ken Burns on the documentary genre and how he'd like to be remembered</DIV>Ken Burns on the documentary genre and how he'd like to be remembered
    Clip begins at: 25:10, Duration: 03m 47s

Interview

  • Part 1
  • On his childhood and family life
    Clip begins at: 0:86
  • On his education and his early interest in photography and film
    Clip begins at: 05:11
  • On starting his own film company Florentine Films after graduating from college
    Clip begins at: 16:08
  • On making his first groundbreaking documentary, Brooklyn Bridge
    Clip begins at: 22:33
  • Part 2
  • On his relationship with PBS and the evolution of the working style at Florentine Films
    Clip begins at: 0:39
  • On making the documentaries The Shakers and The Statue of Liberty
    Clip begins at: 05:45
  • On making the documentary Huey Long
    Clip begins at: 08:10
  • On making The Civil War
    Clip begins at: 14:17
  • On the power of television
    Clip begins at: 22:56
  • On selecting photographs for The Civil War and making the war experience come alive
    Clip begins at: 25:20
  • Part 3
  • On the "Ken Burns effect" and his documentary style
    Clip begins at: 0:45
  • On getting funding for his documentaries
    Clip begins at: 04:54
  • On celebrity
    Clip begins at: 08:35
  • On his documentary series Baseball, and his career-long exploration of race in America
    Clip begins at: 11:46
  • On the components of documentary including selecting a subject and the process of interviewing
    Clip begins at: 18:21
  • On his use of technology and the storytelling process in his work
    Clip begins at: 23:43
  • Part 4
  • On the editing process
    Clip begins at: 0:0
  • On producing the documentary, The West and his work on biographical documentaries of Lewis & Clark, Mark Twain, and others
    Clip begins at: 02:07
  • On producing Jazz: A Film By Ken Burns
    Clip begins at: 06:45
  • On producing the documentary of the first road trip, Horatio's Drive
    Clip begins at: 11:54
  • On producing the WWII documentary The War: A Ken Burns Film
    Clip begins at: 17:42
  • On the documentary genre and how he'd like to be remembered
    Clip begins at: 25:10

Shows

  • Baseball: A Film by Ken Burns
    • Ken Burns on his documentary series Baseball, and his career-long exploration of race in America
      Clip begins at: 11:46, Duration: 06m 55s
  • Brooklyn Bridge
    • Ken Burns on developing, selling and filming his first major historcal documentary, Brooklyn Bridge
      Clip begins at: 22:33, Duration: 07m 30s
  • Civil War, The
    • Ken Burns on making his documentary series The Civil War
      Clip begins at: 14:17, Duration: 14m 28s
    • Ken Burns the "Ken Burns effect" and his documentary style
      Clip begins at: 00:45, Duration: 04m 09s
  • Empire of the Air
    • Ken Burns on producing the documentary on the evolution of radio, Empire of the Air
      Clip begins at: 07:16, Duration: 01m 19s
  • Horatio's Drive
    • Ken Burns on producing the documentary of the first road trip, Horatio's Drive  
      Clip begins at: 11:54, Duration: 05m 48s
  • Huey Long
    • Ken Burns on making the 1985 documentary Huey Long
      Clip begins at: 09:09, Duration: 05m 08s
  • Jazz: A Film by Ken Burns
    • Ken Burns on producing Jazz: A Film By Ken Burns
      Clip begins at: 06:45, Duration: 05m 09s
  • National Parks: America's Best Idea, The
    • Ken Burns on his then-current PBS project The National Parks: America's Best Idea
      Clip begins at: 28:01, Duration: 00m 29s
  • Shakers, The
    • Ken Burns on making the documentary The Shakers
      Clip begins at: 05:45, Duration: 02m 25s
  • Statue of Liberty
    • Ken Burns on making the documentary The Statue of Liberty
      Clip begins at: 08:10, Duration: 00m 59s
  • Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson, The
    • Ken Burns on his appearance on Tonight after the broadcast of his documentary, The Civil War
      Clip begins at: 22:56, Duration: 01m 15s
  • War, The
    • Ken Burns on producing the WWII documentary The War: A Ken Burns Film
      Clip begins at: 17:42, Duration: 07m 28s

People

  • Louis Armstrong
    • Ken Burns on producing Jazz: A Film By Ken Burns
      Clip begins at: 06:45, Duration: 05m 09s
  • Ric Burns
    • Ken Burns on his childhood and family life
      Clip begins at: 01:28, Duration: 03m 43s
  • Geoffrey C. Ward
    • Ken Burns on making the 1985 documentary Huey Long
      Clip begins at: 09:09, Duration: 05m 08s
  • Dayton Duncan
    • Ken Burns on producing the documentary of the first road trip, Horatio's Drive
      Clip begins at: 11:54, Duration: 05m 48s
  • Larry Hott
    • Ken Burns on his relationship with PBS early in his career and the evolution of the working style at Florentine Films
      Clip begins at: 00:39, Duration: 02m 28s
  • Steve Jobs
    • Ken Burns the "Ken Burns effect" and his documentary style
      Clip begins at: 00:45, Duration: 04m 09s
  • Jerome Liebling
    • Ken Burns on studying still photography with Jerome Liebling and Elaine Mayes
      Clip begins at: 16:08, Duration: 06m 25s
  • Wynton Marsalis
    • Ken Burns on producing Jazz: A Film By Ken Burns
      Clip begins at: 06:45, Duration: 05m 09s
  • Elaine Mayes
    • Ken Burns on studying still photography with Jerome Liebling and Elaine Mayes
      Clip begins at: 16:08, Duration: 06m 25s
  • David McCollough
    • Ken Burns on making his documentary series The Civil War
      Clip begins at: 14:17, Duration: 14m 28s
    • Ken Burns on developing, selling and filming his first major historcal documentary, Brooklyn Bridge
      Clip begins at: 22:03, Duration: 08m 00s
  • Roger Sherman
    • Ken Burns on his relationship with PBS early in his career and the evolution of the working style at Florentine Films
      Clip begins at: 00:39, Duration: 02m 28s
  • Buddy Squires
    • Ken Burns on his relationship with PBS early in his career and the evolution of the working style at Florentine Films
      Clip begins at: 00:39, Duration: 02m 28s
  • Amy Stechler
    • Ken Burns on his relationship with PBS early in his career and the evolution of the working style at Florentine Films
      Clip begins at: 00:39, Duration: 02m 28s

Topics

  • Creative Influences and Inspiration
    • Documentarian Ken Burns on developing his approach to using photographs in documentaries during the development of Brooklyn Bridge
      Clip begins at: 23:54, Duration: 02m 12s
  • Historic Events and Social Change > Diversity in Television > Minorities
    • Ken Burns on his documentary series Baseball, and his career-long exploration of race in America
      Clip begins at: 11:46, Duration: 06m 35s
    • Ken Burns on producing the WWII documentary The War: A Ken Burns Film
      Clip begins at: 17:42, Duration: 07m 28s
  • Historic Events and Social Change > War > Iraq
    • Ken Burns on The Civil War's effect on public perception of the War in Irag
      Clip begins at: 26:36, Duration: 02m 09s
  • Historic Events and Social Change > War > WWII
    • Ken Burns on producing the WWII documentary The War: A Ken Burns Film
      Clip begins at: 17:32, Duration: 07m 38s
  • Sports
    • Ken Burns on his documentary series Baseball, and his career-long exploration of race in America
      Clip begins at: 11:46, Duration: 06m 35s
  • Technological Innovation
    • Ken Burns on the use of technology in his work
      Clip begins at: 23:43, Duration: 04m 47s
  • Television Industry > Censorship / Standards & Practices
    • Ken Burns on producing the WWII documentary The War: A Ken Burns Film
      Clip begins at: 17:32, Duration: 07m 38s
  • Television Industry > Fame & Celebrity
    • Ken Burns on his celebrity
      Clip begins at: 08:35, Duration: 03m 11s
  • Television Industry > Studio Management
    • Ken Burns on his relationship with PBS throughout his career
      Clip begins at: 00:39, Duration: 05m 06s

Genres

  • News and Documentary
    • Documentarian Ken Burns on developing his approach to using photographs in documentaries during the development of Brooklyn Bridge
      Clip begins at: 23:54, Duration: 02m 12s
    • Documentarian Ken Burns on the power of television
      Clip begins at: 22:56, Duration: 02m 24s
    • Ken Burns the "Ken Burns effect" and his documentary style
      Clip begins at: 00:45, Duration: 04m 09s
    • Ken Burns on the components of documentary including selecting a subject and the process of interviewing
      Clip begins at: 18:21, Duration: 05m 22s
    • Ken Burns on the documentary genre and how he'd like to be remembered
      Clip begins at: 25:10, Duration: 03m 47s
  • Sports
    • Ken Burns on his documentary series Baseball, and his career-long exploration of race in America
      Clip begins at: 11:46, Duration: 06m 55s

Professions

  • Journalists & News Producers > Documentarian
    • Documentarian Ken Burns on developing his approach to using photographs in documentaries during the development of Brooklyn Bridge
      Clip begins at: 23:54, Duration: 02m 12s
    • Ken Burns the "Ken Burns effect" and his documentary style
      Clip begins at: 00:45, Duration: 04m 09s
    • Ken Burns on getting funding for his documentaries
      Clip begins at: 04:54, Duration: 02m 22s
    • Ken Burns on the components of documentary including selecting a subject and the process of interviewing
      Clip begins at: 18:21, Duration: 05m 22s
    • Ken Burns on the documentary genre and how he'd like to be remembered
      Clip begins at: 25:10, Duration: 03m 47s
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Submitted by Anthony2 on Thu, 2012-12-27 19:59.

Love this interview. Indeed Ken Burns is great.

Submitted by flyguy359 on Thu, 2010-09-16 22:35.

How's that? Damn amazing! Ken Burns is glib upon glib - a spectacular speaker!

Submitted by teeder9999 on Thu, 2010-08-05 03:05.

The beginning of this makes me laugh. Feels like a police interrogation.

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